Megi's Jazz Odyssey - the return

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  • zoglugzoglug Posts: 314Member
    Originally Posted By: Megi
    Thank you zog! can I confess I spent some time yesterday looking on your Photobucket account at your own trans-black Shine blush - but it did help.


    Im glad i was able to help you fulfill your GAS! Usually its the other way round wink


    Originally Posted By: Megi
    Also, may I say really impressed with the paintwork you do on those models, it's amazing what people get up to!


    Ha ha! Yet more mis-spent youth and adulthood! Its a tabletop board game i played called Blood Bowl, Its a cross between american football and chess. There is a huge world-wide scene for the game and i have travelled the world playing the game as weird as that may seem for a grown man. Furthest ive played is Chicago, weirdest place ive played is on the roof of a 30 story building when i lived in Dubai.

    All the teams are hand painted, you will notice that they get better each team as like anything, i developed skills as i progressed. Much like playing my guitars now, i found it very peaceful and very relaxing sticking some music on the ipod docking station and chilling out painting the models. I was planning to sell them to fund more guitar based purchases, but have since decided they hold too many sentimental memories for me to let them go.
  • MegiMegi Posts: 6,827Member
    Originally Posted By: zoglug
    Im glad i was able to help you fulfill your GAS! Usually its the other way round wink
    Ha ha, yes well, I kind of had it coming didn't I? I may have some explaining to do when it arrives lol!


    Originally Posted By: zoglug

    Ha ha! Yet more mis-spent youth and adulthood! Its a tabletop board game i played called Blood Bowl, Its a cross between american football and chess. There is a huge world-wide scene for the game and i have travelled the world playing the game as weird as that may seem for a grown man. Furthest ive played is Chicago, weirdest place ive played is on the roof of a 30 story building when i lived in Dubai.

    All the teams are hand painted, you will notice that they get better each team as like anything, i developed skills as i progressed. Much like playing my guitars now, i found it very peaceful and very relaxing sticking some music on the ipod docking station and chilling out painting the models. I was planning to sell them to fund more guitar based purchases, but have since decided they hold too many sentimental memories for me to let them go.
    No, I agree, you should absolutely keep them! And I decided a while back that there is nothing wrong with a "mis-spent" youth or adulthood, we only get one life, and shouldn't be worrying about doing things which some might deem inappropriate for our age (like playing electric guitars for example) grin. As predicted, I'm wanting the guitar to arrive yesterday lol, can't wait to get the "your item has been dispatched" email with tracking number so I can follow the guitar's path to my door. Silly I know! blush
  • HobbioHobbio Posts: 21Member
    Hmmm, so you encouraged me to get a Shine and it worked so well that you ordered another one yourself! Lol, at least the sisters will be back together...

    Hopefully my Mrs will be in when they deliver mine otherwise I'll be driving a 40 mile or so round trip tomorrow morning.
  • MegiMegi Posts: 6,827Member
    Originally Posted By: Hobbio
    Hmmm, so you encouraged me to get a Shine and it worked so well that you ordered another one yourself! Lol, at least the sisters will be back together...

    Hopefully my Mrs will be in when they deliver mine otherwise I'll be driving a 40 mile or so round trip tomorrow morning.
    That is about what it amounts to lol, althought the idea has been fermenting away in my head for months. And hopefully it does demonstrate my high opinion of the guitar model. Fingers crossed for your delivery today!
  • Mark PMark P Posts: 2,231Member
    My God - there's so much GAS going on round this forum it's a wonder there's not been a huge explosion! eek

    Congrats Megi smile - enjoy - and good luck with doing what you will on pickups.

    We've got a Shine owners club already. Anyone going to follow Megis lead and join the 2-Shine owners club?
  • MegiMegi Posts: 6,827Member
    I know, ridiculous isn't it - I now calculate 8 Shine SIL-510s have been bought by forum members, 2 by myself lol. I'm probably going to be the only "two Shines" I suspect - but to my surprise I just lucked upon something perfect for me with this model guitar, and they won't be around for ever, especially at the silly price, so it makes sense for me at least. The red one has a gig to do this evening, so it will be helping to pay for it's new sister! smile
  • HobbioHobbio Posts: 21Member
    Ahem!

    3 Shine Owner's Club.....
  • zoglugzoglug Posts: 314Member
    Originally Posted By: Mark P
    We've got a Shine owners club already. Anyone going to follow Megis lead and join the 2-Shine owners club?


    Not me! I love my Shine, but i have no need for a second one. Hollow tele is next up for me.
  • MegiMegi Posts: 6,827Member
    I'm sure a nice semi-hollow tele would be a lovely versatile guitar zog, and there do seem to a few out there to choose from!

    Originally Posted By: Hobbio
    Ahem!

    3 Shine Owner's Club.....
    eek Yes, yes, alright - guilty as charged m'lud, please can I ask for the further offence of one Shine Bubinga 5 string bass to be taken into consideration as well... sentences to run concurrently and all that? whistle
  • MegiMegi Posts: 6,827Member
    I was finding it a little curious I'd had no "item dispatched" email for the new Shine. Anyhow, just had an apologetic phone call from Chase - they are very sorry they didn't manage to get my guitar sent out yesterday... Maybe it slipped through the net if they were having a busy day, and Friday is generally a bad day to mail-order anything I've found. Ah well, at least they did phone, were sorry, and are refunding the extra for 24 hour delivery. So the guitar will now reach me some time on Tuesday. A slight bummer because everyone else is out the house today, so I could have evaded detection lol. But now it would be highly unlikely - in fact I've already admitted to my crime, perhaps the better course of action in the end anyway.

    But I've got to wait 3 more days! cry I will take consolation in Hobbio's new guitar report to get me through - come on Hobbio! I'm cracking up here... eek crazy
  • LesterLester Posts: 1,530Member, Moderator
    I have heard that it can sometimes be easier to obtain forgiveness than permission.

    Congratulations on the growing Shine stable. How many do you need before they will start breeding?
  • MegiMegi Posts: 6,827Member
    Originally Posted By: Lester
    I have heard that it can sometimes be easier to obtain forgiveness than permission.

    Congratulations on the growing Shine stable. How many do you need before they will start breeding?
    I've not heard that saying before Lester, but it rings true to me. However, I do indeed forgive them, and understand a bit, having worked in jobs that involve deadlines and demanding customers myself, things sometimes go awry with the best will in the world. I should have just ordered the guitar earlier in the week really, when I first started shilly-shallying about the whole thing. I can wait, I already have 8 guitars lol, so I'm lucky really.

    It's a funny thing with the Shines - I was just thinking yesterday that I will now have more of that brand than any other (have 2 1980's Ibanez guitars, so they have now been overtaken). It's just been the combination of low price and decent quality for me which has allowed me to fill a couple of gaps in the collection (i.e. bass and semi-acoustic), and now a further specialisation into a P90 equipped semi-acoustic. They are good guitars for people like me who like doing a bit of modification too, a good base to start from as it were. I would again add that I am a bit choosy about which models I go for though - the Korean built ones I've seen do seem good though. Will they start breeding? well that would be a way of getting more guitars, but it could quickly get out of hand! grin
  • HobbioHobbio Posts: 21Member
    Lol, Megi and his Shine stud farm.

    Shame you won't get it for a bit mate, but it's something to look forward to for Tuesday smile
  • MegiMegi Posts: 6,827Member
    Yep, something to look forward to, and I do now feel a sense of relief that I have finally got the order in, and at least this purchase is in the bank (Jim Bowen: now Megi, you've already won the Shine guitar, so that's safe - or are you going to gamble for Bully's star prize... - no I am not ha ha laugh ) - I'm cracking up here! crazy
  • MegiMegi Posts: 6,827Member
    Clearly was cracking up reading that last post again... blush Moving on, am now filling the void left by not getting hold of the new Shine today by looking at P90 pickup options. Have decided to get a humbucker sized P90 for the neck position only, thus allowing me the spend a little more (possibly). I really like the Bare Knuckles Manhattan, which uses alnico 3 magnets, and specifically designed for jazz - listen to the sound samples here if interested: BK Manhatten . But another decision is not to spend more on the pickup than the guitar, so at £104 for one! eek - it's out.

    Thinking maybe I could get the Cat's Whiskers pickup chap to make me one to spec, perhaps along the lines of the Bare Knuckles, or perhaps incorporating any ideas he might have - might make enquiries before long. There is already the "Fat Moggy" hum-size P90 he does (love the name! a joke on Seymour Duncan's "Phat Cat" pickup I suspect) which has alnico 2 magnets. Basically I get the impression he can do whatever you want though. http://www.catswhiskerpickups.co.uk/p90.html

    Mark P, if you read this, I think your thoughts on the majority of P90s being too high output have hit home with me in the end - I notice the BK Manhattan I like has a pretty low DC resistance of 6.6K for the neck pickup, and I'm feeling less inclined to "make do" with a higher output (most out there seem to be around 8K). I think you are right that if I want to get a bit gritty, there will always be a way, and for the most part what I will want is subtlety, nuance, maybe a bit of shimmer even. If I did go even for a Cats Whiskers, it would be the most expensive replacement pickup I've bought. We will see...

  • HobbioHobbio Posts: 21Member
    Megi, try this IronGear one. Neck resistance is 6.3kOhm, maybe closer to what you want?
  • Mark PMark P Posts: 2,231Member
    Originally Posted By: Megi
    Mark P, if you read this, I think your thoughts on the majority of P90s being too high output have hit home with me in the end - I notice the BK Manhattan I like has a pretty low DC resistance of 6.6K for the neck pickup, and I'm feeling less inclined to "make do" with a higher output (most out there seem to be around 8K). I think you are right that if I want to get a bit gritty, there will always be a way, and for the most part what I will want is subtlety, nuance, maybe a bit of shimmer even. If I did go even for a Cats Whiskers, it would be the most expensive replacement pickup I've bought. We will see...


    FWIW my Tonerider P90s (not humbucker sized) in my PRS SE are DC Resistance: 8.0k (neck), 8.5k (bridge), Inductance: 7.2H (neck), 7.7H (bridge) Magnets: Alnico II. They are very clean by comparison with the stock "hot" pickups I've had.
    Tonerider P90 specs

    OK - I can't play Jazz - but here's maybe an indication of what you can get heading in a vaguely Jazzy direction with P90 pups of my Toneriders specifications:-
    See You See Me See Jazz Club : VikingBlues
    Smooth it Back : Viking Blues

    To some extent I think that maybe whether the pickups are Alnico 2 (or 3) rather than 5 might be just as important a consideration as output measurements?

    The really expensive pickup upgrade is a scary one - the SH55s have been my only excursion into that territory. Worked out amazingly well, but they needed to to justify the cost. The Tonerider P90s I purchased was before their prices started to rise, presumably on the back of their postive reviews, at just £42 for the pair. They're now about twice the price - though teh ones I got would still be worth the higher price it in my opinion.
  • MegiMegi Posts: 6,827Member
    Cheers Mark - I guess that does go to illustrate that DC resistance can be a very poor guide to pickup sound and output. Inductance is better they say... Are yours really over 7H btw??? That actually sounds massively high, from having looked at various pickup specs online confused

    I can clearly hear the P90 type of sound I'm after in those tracks of yours Mark, certainly in the ballpark. I guess I do have to consider the Tonerider Rebel 90s a firm contender, especially if I decide I don't want to spend too much more - and things could well go that way lol! As you say, the more you spend, the more of a risk you are taking in a way...

    Re the magnet type, I understand that does actually affect the output and presumably the inductance, possibly even the DC resistance. Not really understanding the whole thing very well at all I admit, I think quite a good approach if ordering custom made pickups is to find a model online that seems to taste, then give the maker the link and specs, plus tell them that's the sort of sound you want - this did work out well for me with the "Eric Johnson" type strat set I ordered from Chris Hernandez.
  • Mark PMark P Posts: 2,231Member
    Unfortunately i can't confirm those measurements - I don't think I have the gear to measure it with and certainly don't have the knowledge of how to do it! Those figures are just off the tonerider website that I linked.

    I do have the Tonerider P90s a fair distance from the strings - with the string pressed down at the last fret the pickup to string height is 1.8mm neck, 1.5mm bridge on the high E string and 2,6mm neck, 1.8mm brige on the low E string. (Gibsons Customer support I saw recommended 1.2mm for their P90s).

    Tonerider were the only 1 to reply, of as I recall 4 makers, to my e-mail queries about their P90s - their General Manager & Founder, Andrew Cunningham, no less that replied. That gave them a huge boost in the likelihood of me buying their pickups.

    True what you say - the more money you spend the more risk you take. Though it's like a double edged risk, as the rewards can also be greater.
    I don't envy you your GAS BTW! wink
  • MegiMegi Posts: 6,827Member
    I find my pickup heights tend to be not what is recommended too, usually mine also are further from the strings. In the end the maker's guides seem to be just a suggestion for those who aren't willing to experiment a bit for themselves!

    It is a big tick for Tonerider that you got the founder to reply like that I agree - I like that sort of thing, and take that onboard. I had a similar experience with Alan Entwistle btw - asked about a pickup and got a really nice reply minutes later. Re the Rebel 90's, they sound pleasant on this clip I think, though not jazz:





    The risk/reward balance is something I'll have to wrestle with for a few days at least, until I plump for something. Though sometime a cheap option can work out very well, i.e. high reward as well as low price - the Axesrus Bourbon City pickups I have in my first Shine are in that category for me.
  • MegiMegi Posts: 6,827Member
    Just got the order dispatched email - it's on next day delivery, so will be expecting to get my grubby mits on the new Shine tomorrow. smile Hopefully a tracking number to follow, just so I can have the fun of knowing roughly where it is in the meantime lol.

    Still very undecided about the pickup(s) - among the various temptations are:

    Custom wound P90, possibly with a tap to get a Charlie Christian pickup sound also, from Gemini pickups (£75, this is about the top end of what I can justify money-wise).

    Similar to the above from Cats Whiskers pickups - not contacted the owner, but from the website I reckon he could do something nice and interesting also - maybe about a tenner less in cost.

    Tonerider Rebel 90 - could get just for the neck at about £45, or even a set for under £80. A bit of a leap as I've not heard much about them being used for jazz tones, but I suspect I'd get on well with them somehow - the lower cost is in their favour anyway.

    Perhaps seeing the guitar will help me decide somehow!
  • HobbioHobbio Posts: 21Member
    It's a shame that those IronGear ones have such a rubbish sound clip. I remember listening to it over the weekend, thinking Megi won't like that sound and then reading on here that you hated the sound clip lol.
  • MegiMegi Posts: 6,827Member
    Originally Posted By: Hobbio
    Megi, try this IronGear one. Neck resistance is 6.3kOhm, maybe closer to what you want?
    Sorry Hobbio! only just noticed this post - I've looked at the Iron Gear - for all I know it could be great (the uncertainty is a major difficulty with pickup buying I find) - but I have to say against it is the alnico 5 magnets, and their sound sample recordings, which to my ears are just hideous lol! so afraid that is putting me off! But cheers for the thought, it might be a wonderful pickup for playing jazz, in which case I will have missed out! (but at least I'll be happily ignorant). grin
  • MegiMegi Posts: 6,827Member
    Originally Posted By: Hobbio
    It's a shame that those IronGear ones have such a rubbish sound clip. I remember listening to it over the weekend, thinking Megi won't like that sound and then reading on here that you hated the sound clip lol.
    Would you believe it? - cross posting again! had no idea you were typing this H. And I've just said again that I don't like the sound clip ha ha! As I say, that is really very incomplete evidence, so I could be missing out for all I know, but one does have to do something to narrow the choice down. Get some better sound samples done Iron Gear!
  • MegiMegi Posts: 6,827Member
    Played on a solid-body Collings guitar, Lollar P90s... If I ended up with a tone like this I wouldn't grumble!





    ...although I think that video does also illustrate how big an influence the guitarist has on things as well. But that's kind of where I'd like to go soundwise, good top-end presense and a bit of shimmer, without any icepick or harshness, plus a good full spectrum of the other frequencies, without either the bass or the mids being too dominant. Warmth, but also clarity and note separation to bring out the detail in chordal work. The sort of pickups where you can hear the string windings, as someone I saw on Youtube put it once.
  • LesterLester Posts: 1,530Member, Moderator
    That's a nice tone but it's missing the acoustic element of an archtop or semi-hollow to my ears.

    Can I ask which amp(s) you use, Megi?
  • HobbioHobbio Posts: 21Member
    Lol @ the cross posting. I've had a quick search for other reviews and clips but have unfortunately drawn a blank frown

    And those Lollars should sound good considering the million billion pounds they cost!

    Have you considered making your own?
  • Mark PMark P Posts: 2,231Member
    The tones on that Mitch Watkins video are rather good!

    A good set of traditioanl style P90s ought to give you that sort of sound I'd have thought.

    Have you clocked the price of Collings 290s! eek

    I think Lester is right too in that a semi-acoustic would bring something additional to the tone-party.
  • MegiMegi Posts: 6,827Member
    Originally Posted By: Lester
    That's a nice tone but it's missing the acoustic element of an archtop or semi-hollow to my ears.

    Can I ask which amp(s) you use, Megi?
    I would agree it's not the same as an archtop guitar, but I really like it in it's own right. A matter of taste I suppose! I think the Shine will be a bit "woodier" sounding though.

    The amp I most often use is a Polytone Minibrute combo, solid-state, 110 Watts, 12" speaker, designed specifically for jazz guitar. It's really a one-trick pony, in that it does the jazz guitar tone to a tee, and not much else! In fact, if you plug a strat in, it does it's level best to make that sound like a jazz guitar lol, but for jazz, a very good amp indeed. People often think it is a valve amp as well. I also have an old Yamaha G50 112 combo amp, also solid state and a 12" speaker, "only" 50 watts, but seems blummin loud to me. These old Yamaha amps are known to make great jazz amps - I would say it brings out more of the acoustic element of an archtop guitar sound, while also being quite "ballsy" in nature. I paid £80 for it! And my third amp is a Roland Cube 80XL modelling amp - the clean channel on it (based on a Roland Jazz Chorus) is not surprisingly good for jazz also, but overall, this is a more versatile amp, and on the rare occasions I have to play other styles, this is the amp I use - the built-in effects can be handy for such things too.
  • MegiMegi Posts: 6,827Member
    Originally Posted By: Hobbio
    Lol @ the cross posting. I've had a quick search for other reviews and clips but have unfortunately drawn a blank frown

    And those Lollars should sound good considering the million billion pounds they cost!

    Have you considered making your own?
    Yep, can't afford Lollars, though obviously they make nice pickups. But that doesn't bother me too much, I think there are other less well established pickup makers out there that are competitive in terms of quality, and who charge less! It is hard finding good information about all the various pickups, appreciate you trying. In the end, rightly or wrongly, I just have to do my best with the patchy details I can find. One approach I use is to contact the maker or firm and see what kind of reply (if any) I get. If they seem on my wavelength, that is a very good sign for me. Have I considered making my own? - no, not really, but who knows, one day I might try it. I suspect there would be something of a learning process to go through to get good predictable results, like a lot of things, it's not just having the practical skill but also the know-how.
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